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#1 Dan BTC

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 08:12 PM



It's time to this years contest underway. Please read the rules below and post success photos.


First off I want to say that a lot of thought has gone into the contest rules that follow. Over the five years the contest has been going on the rules have changed to try and remedy some of the issues that have arisen. They are very simple and straight forward because over the years we have discovered that it's the best way to go. We have also realized that it is not possible to make everyone happy and have long since given up trying to do so.

Everyone please remember, the main reason for the contest is to bring members closer together. bivalent pointed this out as well as and many other positive reason for the contest in his post on the "mockery" thread. I suggest everyone read it carefully. This buck-off contest has nothing to do with big racks and braggin' about the bucks that are killed. This is precisely why there is not a "big buck" winner or prizes of any type awarded. Likewise there are no width, height or mass measurements involved in the scoring. Scores are simply calculated on the number of total "points" over 1/2 inch long. You can't get more basic than that while still giving antler configuration some credit. Never once have I heard a member bragging about the size of their buck's antlers although a lot of good natured ribbing does go on.

Some members have claimed that the contest is disrespectful to the Blacktail deer because antler size determines scores. Lets be realistic for a moment, in the real world there are very few hunters who give absolutely no significance to antler size. Most hunters would much rather take a large buck than a small buck. The members of the board are no different. If showing pictures, and talking about the size of buck's around a campfire, or on this board is acceptable to any of you who criticized the buck-off contest, you are being hypocritical and should step back and re-consider your opinion.

"Signing-Up Others" The members who signed up friends, who are not BTC members, are not to be blame for the mix-up on the registration thread. Without the rules being clearly posted they had no guidelines to follow and that is my fault. I should have posted them a long time ago. I have now included the contest rules and guidelines below for everyone to read in hopes that it will eliminate some of the confusion. Members with children are allowed to sign-up them up even if they are not board members. Because as has been mentioned, there are a lot of kids who view the board on a regular basis but are not signed up.,

Changing the "point" system has also been considered. Allotting a set number of points for a buck, and a set number of points for a doe was considered in the past but was not used because it could potentially put an early end to the contest. For example if a team got ahead by 10 points (5 bucks at 2 points per buck) it would be very difficult for the trailing team to catch up. On the other hand, while using the current antler point scoring system, the trailing team would have a better chance to catching up with a couple good bucks.

"Bonus points" have also been suggested but never implemented. The main reason being, I have never been able to figure out a fair way to allot the points. Some people have suggested that successful bow hunters be awarded bonus point because of the handicap they have. If we allow bowhunters bonus points how many bonus points do we give to those who have real handicaps. If using a bow is a handicap certainly physical limitations must be recognized. What about terrain difficulties, deer density's, public vs. private, new hunter vs. experienced, the list goes on and on. This all has to be considered is a preference point is given to a certain group. For that reason no bonus points are allotted.

There are also a few things I am re-considering after reading some of the posts on the board. Next years captain position will be one of them. Although the board voted to keep the captain selection procedure the same last year, which means it has to carry over to this year, because last years co-captains are this years captains. I think this should be changed in the future so board members can be more involved in the selection process.

A change that could take place this year if board members choose to do so is to vote on the whippersnapper vs. geezer format. Even though over the years the contest has been close some members think it is unfair and outdated. This was also voted on last year by members and the majority liked the format. If my memory serves me right last years "winning team" won by 2 points with over 50 bucks being taken. I just don't see how the odds could be more fair than that but I am open to suggestions. The only other possible format that I can come up with is to divided the number of contestants in half and draw names to decided what team members are on.

Rod and Antelope Eyes recently posted the links to the last few years of contest's and it's amazing how close they habe been.

2008- 190 contestants- 74 bucks (38-36) - final score 261-265 - http://s2.excoboard....amp;t=1863213-1

2007 - 150 contestants - 57 bucks (26-31)- final score 225-158 - http://s2.excoboard....amp;t=1617640-1

2006 - 108 contestants - 49 bucks (25-24) - final score 166-172 - http://cybermagic200...l/bocontest.htm


Any and all suggestions are welcome and will be voted on by members as they have been in the past. If you have a suggestion lets hear it.


Below is a list of rulers and guideline for everyone to read.


BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR AGE (when your season opens) AND YOUR STATE WHEN SIGNING UP!!


SCORING SYSTEM.

* The total number of all points (including eye-guards, AKA brow tines) over 1/2 inch long equals your final score. Please try to be as accurate as possible.

* Scoreable point issues will be resolved by the entrants team captain.

* Doe's count as one point

* Beginning in 2007 only the total number of points will be calculated to determine the winning team. It is just to complicated otherwise.

* Designated "Team Captains" will resolve any issues that arise.

* Participants will be divided into two teams, the "WhipperSnappers" and the "Geezers".

* The dividing point of the teams will be at the "mean" (middle) age of all participants.


CONTEST GUIDELINES


* You must sign-up for the contest BEFORE your state deadline. Bucks taken before signing up can not be entered.

*Your age is figured when your season OPENS

*If you live in California, and take a Blacktail in Oregon or Washington, it can still be entered into the contest. This is just an example. This holds true no matter which western state you live in.

* Successful entrants scores will be added next to their names on the "Team Member List" as bucks are taken so everyone can keep track of the competition. Their photo will also be added to this post. Comments to "successful members photos" will be periodically removed to keep the thread as short a possible and keep the emphasis on the bucks. This makes it much easier to keep track of scores and entrants.

* A photo of you with your buck MUST be submitted with your score to be eligible.

* If an entrant takes a bigger buck later in the season, after already entering a buck, their numbers will be changed to reflect the score of the larger buck.

* If you hunt exclusively in an area that does not hold true Columbian Blacktail, or Sitka Blacktail , you can still enter your buck. This exception only applies to entrants WHO DO NOT HAVE TAGS to hunt Blacktail. It is also limited to bucks taken in their home state.

(With the scoring system counting total points, and not spread, these types of buck will have no effect.)

* In order for a buck to be entered contestants are required to post a photo and a score.

* Numbers will be updated periodically to reflect the current standings.

There will be more information to follow.


#2 Dan BTC

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:53 PM

TEAM WHIPPERSNAPPER

Michael---------10
Big "D"---------10
Khunter--------12
Greg------------12
Minimagnet-----13
Sprout----------14 --------------- 1
Sierra-----------14
Jacob-----------15 ---------------- 8
Jordan----------15
Brenten---------15
Lil MJ------------15 --------------- 9
Izzy-------------14
Brittany---------16--------------------4
Hayley-----------16
Hendog----------16
Duckslayer------16
Air-Ball----------17
Alex Miller-------17 --------------- 5
CarmelValley ---17---------------4
Airball------------17
Cubfoot----------18 --------------- 8
Mote270BSM-----18 --------------- 10
Justin-------------18
Daveb90---------19
ORbowhunter5--19
MaxT-------------20-----------------10
BigSurArcher----20----------------12
Leanne-----------20
Shed Officer-----20 ----------- 4
Norcalhuntr------20
Olyboy-----------21
Beau-------------21 ------------- 4
Young Gun-------21 ------------- 6
Oregon Hunter---21
Dem1-------------21
fishnhuntfreak---21
Ckprax-----------22
Kelpy-------------22 ------------ 7
Pete jr------------23
Full Limit---------23
Vital Kill----------23 -------------- 4
BBRhunr---------23
Rjdumas---------23
Shannon -------- 23 ------------4
Boone------------23
Davey------------24
PdxHunter--------24
Smith 22---------25
O.S.O.K----------25 ------------- 6
PWS Fred--------25
Kevo300WSM---25
Jbear-------------25
Blacktailarcher..-26
Joan--------------26
Zackman---------26
Nblevin------------26 ---------- 4
Population Cntrl--26
Matt Hendricks---26
Shedhorn---------27----------- 4
Deerhunter98..--27 ----------- 6
Bvalleyhunter---27
Jc248-------------27
805 Hunter-------27------------ 5
Team Forky------27---------- 11
Luckyshot---------27
Love2hunt--------27
Garrett1923------28
Hardcorehntr5---28
LCBlacktailer ---- 28
BS----------------28
Chikfromdastiks--28
Blacktail Slayer---28
StringDropHigh---29
Awbighorns-------29 ----------- 9
RSquared---------29
Blsum-------------29
Mchubb316-------30
Clark--------------30
Carp Slayer-------30 ------------ 4
SkinnyPete--------31
Chingoose--------31
Walthers----------31
Illeagle------------31----------- 5
Smitty42----------32 ----------- 10
Backwoods-------32 ------------ 4
Smitty-------------32 ----------- 11
JPO----------------32
Knight-------------32
Jason4429--------32 ------------ 4
Taxidermist-------32 ----------- 10
Swampr-----------32
Dp1077------------32 ------------- 4
Poloman-----------32
Cyothnt------------32--------------5
OldStationHntr----32
Bubba--------------33 ------------ 8
Ksmith-------------33 ------------- 7
Viator--------------33
Bucklucky---------33
Marpint------------33
Birddog------------33 -----------4
Abourda-----------34 ----------- 5
Blackghost--------34

106 - Members
35 - Bucks
1 - Does

SCORE - 226



TEAM GEEZER

House-------------34 ----------- 9
Brian--------------34
Hornhunter-------34
Timmybob--------34
Archer------------35
Chris--------------35
The Realtor-------35 ----------- 9
Ceetoo------------35
NEhunter----------35 ---------- 6
2Rocky------------35
Arrowslinger------35
Dogman-----------35
BarneyFlats-------35 ------------ 6
BTS----------------36
Scooty-------------36
Runt Da-----------36
Reillik--------------36
Campchef---------36
Rikfromdastiks----36
Kevinandboys-----36
Tag Soup----------37
Aosteelheader-----37 --------- 10
Deputynrc----------37
Willy----------------38------------8
Hogie---------------38
Grizzly-------------38
Timberline---------38 ------------ 9
NVCatHunter------38 ----------- 8
Big Rod------------38
Travs Blackie------38 ----------- 5
MWhite-------------38
Biggcatt88----------39
Jesster-------------38
MJ from OR--------39
Eyeguards---------39
Ballistic------------39
Bendite------------39
Rader--------------39
Blacktailbhtr-------39
Goose--------------39
PDog---------------40 ----------- 11
Singleshot---------40 ------------ 11
Troutman 209-----40
Raisen2------------41
Duckman2000-----41
Moose7-------------41
Snoopdogg---------41 ----------- 8
Vilkas---------------41
Huntinfreak--------42 ------------ 8
Brad----------------42 ------------ 9
TFrances-----------42
Hogwild------------42
Duane--------------42
Highsierra----------42
Coothunter---------42
Roadkill------------43 ----------- 7
Foodplot------------43
Antelope Eyes-----43 ------------ 8
Dlovato------------43
3fletch--------------43
NoWhammies------43 ------------ 10
DWarcher----------43 ------------ 10
Maxwell-------------43
Steelheader ------ 44
Wby Qrtbore-------44
Forkhorn-----------45
61Henry------------45
KillerBeee----------45 ------------- 4
Deltahog-----------46
COOP---------------46
SRHunter-----------46-----------------8
Maddog-------------47-----------------8
Goshawk-----------47
Hendog-------------47
Deermagnet -------47 -------------- 7
Whistler------------48
HunterHarry-------48 ---------------- 6
TheHunt------------49 ----------------- 8
Mike209------------49
Coldwaterlake-----49
Dan BTC-----------49--------------10
Rauly---------------49
Huckleberryh...----49
Jtc Hunter----------50
CHWino-------------51-------------- 8
Jeeper--------------52
BLR243-------------52 -------------- 8
Ult-Predator--------53 -------------- 8
BHB-----------------54-----------------7
Upcedarcreek------54
Applegate-----------54 --------------- 5
Drnaln---------------55
NormP---------------55 -------------- 6
Papahawk-----------55
YBO-----------------55
Rod----------------- 57 --------- 7
Dawei---------------59
Brighteyes----------59 ----------5
VacavilleIllu...------60
Ropes---------------63
Muskrat-------------71 ----------- 1

106 - Members
33 - Bucks
1 - Does

SCORE - 265


Total Contest Entrants 212

106 Members Per Team - Sign-up list split in half to determine teams.

#3 Dan BTC

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 05:34 PM




BHB - 7 pts for the geezers.

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BigSurArcher - 12 points whips

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CVA - 4 points Whips

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#4 dlovato

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 09:07 PM

Add 4 points for the Whipper's - My daughter Brittany connected Saturday evening.

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 11:44 AM

10 points for the whipps. 4x3 with 2 eyeguards plus a bur point that is over 1/2 inch. total of 10.
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you can see a better pick of the bur in the post i made (buck down...points for whipps) im out of upload space so if u need validation u can see the pick there.
thanks.
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#6 maddog

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 06:38 PM

Maddog with 8 pts nice 4x2 with 2 inch eyeguards !!!!!!!! sorry about back of the truck pic but forgot my camera this morning but do have field photos on my phone just got to figure out how to get them off it to my computer but this pic should work. GO GEEZERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 04:55 PM

8 for the geezers. (3x4 +1 eyeguard)


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Posted 19 August 2009 - 07:28 PM

add 5 more for whipps got a 2x2 with 1 eye guard hey sorry for all the blood and all haha

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 06:37 AM

QUOTE (Tony 270WSM @ Aug 26 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Willy's buck


Thanks Tony!!

8 pts for the old guy's 4x3 with 3/4" eye guard!!


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Posted 14 September 2009 - 12:56 PM



My 4 points
It's tough to push a rope.

#11 HunterHarry

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 12:10 PM

Jr's kicked some booty this year.
4x4 w/1 browtine.




4x2 w/2brows
Amost 4x3, but G3 on left is under 1"



Sorry to the fellow geezers for not pullin my load.

I shot this mediocre 3x3 by mistake.
I'll try to make ammends soon!
3x3 no browtines



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Posted 15 September 2009 - 12:22 PM

Well here is my buck. 3x2.. Go whipps!!!


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 02:09 PM

My contribution to the Geezers.

left side 4 points + 1 eyeguard.

right side 3 points + 2 eyeguards

22 wide

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 04:15 PM

7 points for the old dudes!


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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:16 AM

Is that eye guard long enough to score? If so, should be 8 pts if my old geezer eyes arent deceiving me!
Sure you cant eat the antlers...but you wouldn't want to hang a steak on the wall would ya?

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (highsierra @ Sep 20 2009, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that eye guard long enough to score? If so, should be 8 pts if my old geezer eyes arent deceiving me!


Easily 1/2 inch, which would make the buck worth 8 Buck-Off points.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 08:04 PM

How about six more for the Geezers!

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 05:12 PM

10 more for the old guys...


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 05:15 PM

4 more for the whips.B-zone.


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Posted 26 September 2009 - 11:36 AM

8 points for the whimps after a few days of hunting i felt like a whippersnapper then it hit after 4 deer packing them out I then felt like a geezer., B zone. 3x3 with eye gaurds = 8 points The eye gaurd on the one side is hard to see its over a 1/2 inch if you need closer picture let me know. still have one b zone tag left..





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